ok Tec. you got it, go fuck yourself. now that I got that outta the way, tree work is tough I do it from time to time between gigs. I ain't had to in some time 'cept when I bought this house. I took down a bunch of neglected pines and built a retainin' wall off the back bank with the trunks to keep my lawn trimmin's outta the protected wet lands (swamp). Installs suck too, I wired the house myself, complele with two wall mounts. By the way where'd ya get the pic of big Ben's big assed old lady?