yes I totally agree with you rmblnmn1, but how come cable installers can't get away with half of the things that satellite installers do? I mean i've seen lines just hanging off the side of a house with no clips of any kind to keep them from flaping in the wind. I've also seen about 50 feet of cable coiled up zip tied to the dish of an existing customer. I mean i never see a sat installers truck or car during the day. It's like everything is done in secret. To me and my co-workers here, it just seems a little lob sided that sat installers can get away with poor quality workmanship and we can't. Now i'm not saying that there's not poor quality cable jobs either out there. All I'm sayin is that everyday i see more and more junk sat installs that a 10 year old could do better.