Wow! I think that is the longest sentence that I've ever read. James, if you wanted to be taken seriously, please take the time to learn how to use proper punctuation and grammar. This is one of the reasons that many technicians are treated as ignorant rednecks. Before you attack me, I am a satellite technician, and I have been in this industry for ten years. I have seen and heard all of the same stories, but they always seem to come from the guys that cannot come up with a viable solution.