for years I looked to the bar for talk and info but it became a trash talking place . I agree with your analysis . But we all move on. I see the bar has few people on it now . There are other sites they have moved on to . I saw that coming a year or two ago . The jerk from alaska whom is one of those; his way or no way people. I have not seen him here since the button pushing and all those who threatened me most were if not all theives and liars themselves . Have a good Turkey day
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