This discussion amongst my peers has been good men and I thank you for your civility and your maturity in the matter it is discussions such as these that get things done. I dont have any pithy or wity statement to say except thank you all for your input this is what makes America what it is and I'm damn proud of it all have acted honorably on a very touchy subject and I look forward to more of the same. I sit here at 3:00 am with my family asleep around me and I have but one thing to thank for it and its our men out there who defend us and our right to have these discussions and may God Bless Them. Happy Fathers day Gentlemen I love you all like brothers I've never met and if you ever need me just pm me I'll do what I can. I'm going to try and post my thoughts on the middle east just for FC13 but lets lay this aside today,today is Fathers day and its the greatest priviledge I've ever had. Now from the middle east.....