let me just tell you a story related to all of this but first ..............i never said anything about your guys................all the ones i met seem to be a great bunch .............as for curtis and his brother well...........i think i know a spot for them here in cali...........would love to have clarence and his crew as well ..............and i dont know the rest ............anyway...........if you include ins and 401 and all that i guess gurilla splicer and brian have givin me the job of a life time and as much respect as one could ask for.................i started to work for them yesterday ............today ...............i was hanging fiber not to mention if i include the benifits i make about twice what you quoted in your post ........prolly a little more and these supervisors got they wescos on ans will hook the pole not tell you how .they recognize the desire to work hard as well ..........why dont you mr.installer????????????