Yep...same old debate, it goes back and forth like that all day long. They think we don't know what we are doing...we think they don't know what they are doing, and we are both right because we are too proud to ask each other how to do the job when we cross over onto each others job sites. A lot of our acronyms and nicknames for stuff mean something else to them and vice versa. I think we should at least try to learn from each other, but it probably wont happen on a broad scale. I hope we can be opened minded, if we are we will find out that there are a million and one ways to make money pulling wires.