whoa!!!! my first pair of gaffs!!! military style coupled with cowboy boots for a number of years leed to these effed up knees ankles and knee joints. mostly cause i was too cheap to "waste good money" on a pair of red wings and padded kleins. still got 'em!! guess it has been a while!! don't climb with 'em dude just look at history and thank god someone figured you'd make more money if you were comfortable climbing them poles!!! HAH!!Later Mike M.
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